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Deconstructing Swine Flu Hype

Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
health, flu, swine-flu, pandemic, h1n1, epidemic
By Kathy Gill
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I don't know about you, but I felt a little shiver along my spine when I heard on Wednesday that the World Health Organization had raised its H1N1 swine flu threat level to five, on a scale of one-to-six. I didn't know what that meant, exactly. But news reports linking this threat level with the 1968 Hong Kong flu and the word "pandemic" were shaking my belief that the U.S. media were on one of their normal echo-chamber benders.

Today WHO reported that 11 countries have "officially reported 257 cases of influenza A (H1N1) infection." In the U.S., we have 109 laboratory-confirmed human cases and one death. In Mexico, there are 97 confirmed human cases and seven deaths.

Adding to my unease: I just flew cross-country with over-full aircraft (babes in arms = more individuals than seats). But it was thinking about that trip that gave rise to this insight: given the growth in global travel, rapid spread of disease ("going viral") should be increasing.

So I went to the source, and here's what I found. Maybe it will help set your mind at ease. (Or maybe not.)

What Does A Phase 5 Threat Mean?
Learning the answer to this question reinforced my wonder that global travel hasn't triggered such a threat before (that I can remember). From WHO:

Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region.

Oh. Well, the Mexico-U.S. connection (we share a border, remember) certainly makes this threat level less scary.

One reason that I don't remember hearing about this before may be that this threat level schema is less than 10 years old. (I say "may" because the claim is not sourced.)

A Phase 6 threat seems imminent, given today's WHO report. And given global air traffic, even in a recession, this upgrade seems likely to me. When that happens, we will officially have a "pandemic."

What Is A Pandemic?
From WHO: "An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness."

That word "enormous" gives one pause, doesn't it? The last big pandemic was 1968, when the Hong Kong flu killed an estimated 1 million worldwide. The granddaddy -- the one that I think of when I hear the word -- was in 1918-1919; it lead to an estimated 40–50 million global deaths.

However, even WHO doesn't anticipate another epidemic like we had in 1918: "Current epidemiological models project that a pandemic could result in 2 to 7.4 million deaths globally."

Let's put these numbers in context. In 1918, the world population was about 1.8 billion. That means that the swine flu killed about 3 percent of the world's population. According to the U.S. archives, more than 25 percent of the U.S. population experienced the flu, however.

Today, the world population is approximately 6.7 billion. Taking the worst-case WHO estimate, as much as 0.1 percent of the world's population is at risk of death if this flu indeed becomes a pandemic. In other words, it still sounds to me like the risk is small.

What About Drugs?
President Obama called on Congress to allocate $1.5 billion (in other words, to borrow another $1.5 billion) to, among other things, supplement antiviral stockpiles and begin preparing a vaccine.

Sounds good, doesn't it? Well, think again. Here's Maggie Koerth-Baker on vaccines:

[T]he lag time on vaccine production is pretty gnarly. We're talking 3-to-6 months before anything can get out the door, and that's with development and production being fast-tracked. Because flu viruses tend to pretty quick on the mutation draw, the "wild" virus will likely be different from the one the vaccine is modeled on by the time it comes out.... It may not prevent illness altogether, but the illness you get might be more mild that what you'd have come down with otherwise. That said, there's also a distinct possibility that, by the time a vaccine is out, H1N1 swine flu won't be a problem anymore.

Of course, no one who holds elected office is going to vote no on spending money to try to develop a vaccine for H1N1 swine flu.

What Is H1N1?
I find it intriguing that in 2005, WHO was worried about the possibility of a pandemic, but not because of H1N1 (pdf). Their concern was focused on H5N1, avian flu. This, I remember, because the center of that storm was Asia and I live in greater Seattle. There are no vaccines for avian flu, and it is transmitted from bird to human.

H1N1, on the other hand, is linked to pigs (hence the nickname "swine flu") and the 1918-1919 pandemic. Unlike avian flu, H1N1 has mutated which makes it possible to be transmitted from human-to-human. It is a sub-sub-category of Type "A" influenza, which includes "seasonal flu."

This CDC chart shows us that Type A is the most common "flu bug" in the U.S. Moreover, as many as 250,000 to 500,000 people die (worldwide) after contracting the flu in a "normal" year. Most of us have some immunity to "seasonal flu" and/or we take a flu shot to help prevent the disease.

"The flu" is not a cold and it's not intestinal ("stomach flu"). It is a respiratory disease, which helps explain why its victims are usually elderly or children -- their immune systems are at higher risk of death after becoming ill.

Interestingly, in 2008 the U.S. significantly exceeded the "epidemic" threshold for pneumonia and seasonal influenza based on mortality statistics. However, a quick Google search yields no media panic; it does, however, yield articles criticizing the country's influenza preparedness.

So What Can You Do?
The basics: cover your mouth/nose when you cough or sneeze. Wash your hands regularly, with soap and hot water, especially if you have coughed or sneezed. Keep your hands away from your face. And stay home if you start to feel feverish!

Here are some "check-regularly" sources, absent media hype:

  • CDC's weekly report on flu and pneumonia
  • CDC's swine flu portal
  • PandemicFlu.org - the federal government portal
  • WHO's swine flu portal

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Kathy Gill

This great resource from BoingBoing cuts through the speculation.

    Reply#1 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT
    Consultant13Deleted
    Kathy Gill

    I don't think the problem lies with WHO -- they aren't the ones reporting w/out context. It is the media that are treating the story like a "if it bleeds it leads" one.

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    #1.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:55 PM EDT
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    Bill1488

    Do you guys realize that over 63,000 people die every year do to the flu. The vaccinations seem to be helping with the swine flu. Every one needs to slow down and think. 60,000 deaths a year from regular flu. I think we will be o.k. with this swine flu outbreak

      Reply#2 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
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      T. Gracchus

      The vaccinations seem to be helping with the swine flu

      What vaccinations?

      60,000 deaths a year from regular flu

      So let me understand. If you were in charge of the CDC you would wait for 60,000 people to die before you started to take action?

      • 2 votes
      #2.2 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
      Kathy Gill

      T.G. -- it sounds to me like you've put words into Bill's mouth (or keyboard).

        #2.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
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        Tim S.-560036

        This out break of the H1N1 virus is like to subside with the coming of summer and less confined space interaction among people. However, it is positioned to rapadly reemerge in the fall and the return of the normal flu season. That is about 5 to 6 months away. About the time needed to develop and manufacture a vaccine. As with all flu vaccines there is a question of the effectiveness of the vaccine against the predominate virus of the season. what changes may occur inthe intervening summer months is impossible to predict with certainty. But like with all flu vaccines the hope and experience is that they will reduce the severity of the outbreaks.

        To not develop a vaccine for this new strain would be the ultimate in irresponsibility. Some of the numbers I have heard are 7 confirmed deaths out of an estimated 2000 or 2500 cases. Using these numbers we are looking at a mortality rate of approximately 0.3%. Still a small percentage but 3 times that of a normal flu season. That is all things being constant which is never the case. It could just as easily go back to 0.1% as upto 5%. Do you want to roll the dice?

          Reply#3 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
          Thomas Mendip

          What I find quite amazing about this is the number of "What? Me Worry?" postings like those above.

          The WHO is doing what it's supposed to do, warning people of a potential pandemic. That's their job. That's all they've done. If you choose to panic over it, it's your problem. Had they not done it, and the body bags began to pile up, we'd be visited with one flaming critique after another.

          What seems to be missing is a recognition of the potential speed with which, and how widely, such at thing could spread. Never mind the lethality rate. What would be the economic consequence of 15-20% of the work force out sick at one time?

          I have no idea why people refuse to take this seriously, but I nuture the hope that should this thing come to fruition, these clowns who think this is a joke might be among the casualties. Think of it as evolution, culling the morons out of the herd.

          • 1 vote
          #3.1 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
          Consultant13Deleted
          Tim S.-560036

          Thomas you seem to have an idea of how evolution works. As an atheist, I pray for the "Rapture" so we can get rid of that recessive gene that makes us believe in the salvation of mythology. The gene developed in a time early in our development where we need reassurance because our mental/emotional capacity had not developed much above that of a dog. If we didn't understand it, it scared us and we needed a protector. Sounds like a 2 year old to me. At 20 you would never accept the stork or cabbage patch theory of where babies come from. Why do we cling to these myths and childrens stories from the infancy of our species? Isn't it time we grew up and started taking responsiblility for our actions and future?

            #3.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
            Kathy Gill

            Hi, Tim - anyone who tries to predict what this bug will do is talking through their hat. Yes, the virus might wait out the summer ...but saying "it is positioned" to do this is fear-mongering rhetoric.

            I am more worried tonight than I was yesterday because it appears the virus mutated from an H3N2 virus IDed in 1998 at NC hog containment farms. At the time, there were worries that the virus could cause a pandemic. That said, the odds are good that if the virus hangs around until fall that it will have mutated again - meaning anti-virals may or may not be effective (see the BoingBoing link in the original post).

              #3.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:01 PM EDT
              Tim S.-560036

              Kathy,

              the flu usually overwinters in the southern hemisphere. July and August are their winter and flu season. The phrase position to reemerge was from the acting director of the CDC in an interview on MSNBC and from historical patterns. It is entering the human population just as we are leaving the flu season and will have the southern winter to multiply and mutate. When our flu season returns there is a high probability that it will reappear. If it does it could be weaker or stronger. We have no way of knowing at this time. We need to watch it down south this summer to get an idea of what we may face. That is a big part of the concern being displayed by the health organizations.

              I am not trying to scare people. I am trying to explain why the concern over what appears to be a non-issue at this time. There is no need for panic. The school closings in Fort Worth for instance are hysterical. But, we need to be aware of the possiblities in order to prepare. The best case scenario is that this flu fades to nothing. The worst case scenario is that it is as lethal or more than the 1918 flu. Which one do you prepare for and what do you watch for?

                #3.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:25 PM EDT
                Kathy Gill

                Anybody who thinks they know what this virus is going to do weeks, months or years from now really doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. - Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota (source

                If you were quoting a gov't official, then IMO that person was fomenting fear with the statement because the "reemerge" scenario was presented as a fact.

                If, as you project, this virus returns in the fall, it is as likely to have mutated again as not to have, according to the scientists I've been reading. So do we invest in trying to develop new vaccines or expand the production of the existing ones? I don't know that answer - and I don't see anyone asking that question.

                • 1 vote
                #3.6 - Sat May 2, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
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                PenniD

                What scares me isn't the swine flu, or any flu. I'm scared because of the "Chicken Little" aspects of this scenario. "The sky is falling!" We've been through this with bird flu and now swine flu. When the REAL thing comes along, I hope I don't brush it off, but it would take some serious information to make me believe anything coming out of ANY government organization, be it our own or anyone else's.

                I hope we never have the panademic, because I'm afraid if we do, these "scare" tactics are going to make us roll our eyes and ignore it until it is too late.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#4 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
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                Kathy Gill

                All it means to have a pandemic is how geographically widespread the virus is. Pandemic has NOTHING to do with mortality.

                • 2 votes
                #4.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT
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                tonys247

                consultant..."Just look at the irrational in Egypt.."... considering the most likely deplorable conditions that the pigs were living in( these aren't state of the art HORMEL pig farms) it probably was the right call... they're still fighting avian flu fears and reality(2-3 years ago)... as is being evidenced right now this pathogen mutates given proper conditions, of which are easily supplied by third world countries... it all has to do with hygiene or the lack thereof

                  Reply#5 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
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                  Kathy Gill

                  Tony - the virus seems to have mutated from the **US** not a 3rd world country, so no convenient whipping boy. The factory farms that are containment hog operations in the US are far more friendly to viruses than the conditions in Egypt (I was there last year) which is very very poor. I can't speak to the Smithfield containment farm in Mexico - my guess is that its conditions are "worse" than those in the U.S. on many levels.

                    #5.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
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                    newbroom

                    Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan.

                    Smithfield operates massive hog-raising operations [in] Perote, Mexico, in the state of Vera Cruz, where the outbreak originated. The operations, grouped under a Smithfield subsidiary called Granjas Carrol, raise 950,000 hogs per year, according to the company Web site—a level nearly equal to Smithfield's total U.S. hog production. ...

                    a factory farm is a filthy, unplumbed slum for animals. Human beings who live in filthy slum conditions are less healthy overall and more likely to fall prey to, or start, disease epidemics - everybody knows that, but it doesn't translate into what's perceived as being the best practice for animal growing.

                    Something smells about concentrated animal farming operations, especially one in Mexico, where the concentration level on this one farm is much greater than that of similar operations in the United States, and where, supposedly, regulations are met with regard to health.

                      Reply#6 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
                      Kate In Greensboro

                      Something smells about concentrated animal farming operations, especially one in Mexico, where the concentration level on this one farm is much greater than that of similar operations in the United States, and where, supposedly, regulations are met with regard to health.

                      Nasty - absolutely.

                      But what has that got to do with flu? Nothing as far as I can tell.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
                      Tim S.-560036

                      Newbroom; Your post brings to mind the debate over free trade. I am in favor of free trade if, and only if, it is free. That means that the exporting country MUST meet or exceed ALL standards of the importing country. That includes labor, ecological, and human rights. It is time we stopped using the idea of free trade as a means of exploiting and abusing populations around the world.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
                      Kate In Greensboro

                      Tim S - you're describing fair trade, not free trade.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.3 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
                      Tim S.-560036

                      Actually, I am trying to change the definition of both. If it is not fair, it is not free and vice versa.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.4 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                      newbroom

                      Kate, I've read and posted elsewhere, that the epicenter of the Mexican outbreak of this particular strain of influenza is within a half hour's drive from one of Smithfield Farms subsidiary hog farming operations....AND that the Mexican town has reported that around 30% of its population has become infected. Likely, many of the residents of this town are employed at the hog farm. Pollution from this farm is likely conveyed in a myriad of ways.....like airborne, or carried by birds...we're talking about 950,000 hogs...just think about all the ramifications of raising that many critters of that size, in one place.

                        #6.5 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
                        Kate In Greensboro

                        newbroom - I've seen some of the posts. Hog farming is a filthy business, without a doubt. All animal farming is filthy - by its very nature.

                        I'm asking if there is any evidence, any facts, any science, to support anything beyond suspicion of a connection between Smithfield Farms' Mexican subsidiary and this "outbreak" of H1N1.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.6 - Fri May 1, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
                        newbroom

                        Kate, I think you know that the first swine flu was determined to have originated from a NC hog farming operation. Sure....right now, it is conjecture as to whether or not this particular outbreak began similarly, in Mexico.

                          #6.7 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
                          Kathy Gill

                          Newbroom - at the risk of sounding like I'm supporting Smithfield ... your quote does not support your claim that the Mexican operations are more **concentrated** than American ones ... your quote cites numbers only, not numbers / acre.

                          Tim S - it has a lot to do with the current N1H1 mutation. See http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/swineflufarm/

                          • 1 vote
                          #6.8 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:07 PM EDT
                          Tim S.-560036

                          Kathy,

                          Which post of mine are you referring to. I see a post above mine from Kate that asks that question. I know that population density is a factor in the transmission and mutation rate of flu viruses. Or were you referring to the discussion about vaccines? My point there is that it doesn't have to be from vaccines only. Not that they can't contribute or be the main factor in a given case. Eliminating vaccines will not eliminate the phenomenon. But I agree we need to use them, and all medicines, wisely.

                            #6.9 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:37 PM EDT
                            Kathy Gill

                            Hi, Tim:

                            It appears I combined two thoughts into one reply. Apologies! I think I was talking about vaccines and effectiveness after mutation.

                              #6.10 - Sat May 2, 2009 2:03 AM EDT
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                              tonys247

                              newbroom..."Something smells about concentrated animal farming operations, especially one in Mexico, where the concentration level on this one farm is much greater than that of similar operations in the United States, and where, supposedly, regulations are met with regard to health."... exactly... put profit ahead of health concerns for people or animal... it's this global economy that will make us extinct and not world war 3... rampant push for wealth and everyone trying to catch up with the west... no regard for rules or the relaxing of rules... animal husbandry under the proper conditions can still be humane( even though the animal is the product)... breeding and growing animals without correct supervision and we're lucky that we've got a vacine on the SHELF !!!... what if it was something that defied modern treatment and was just a tad more virulent ??... the way this has spread across the globe while not widespread you can stiil see how easily it can jump across oceans and still be deadly(maybe not yet, but when?)

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#7 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
                              Kate In Greensboro

                              A little perspective: More people have died of heart attacks in the last seven days than of the swine flu since it was discovered in March.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#8 - Fri May 1, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
                              newbroom

                              Yuh...and what causes heart disease? Bacon, spare ribs, hog jowls, chitlins, ham hocks, pig brains in milk gravy....

                                #8.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
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                                Tim S.-560036

                                Kate your point is what? Are you saying we should ignore the possible consequences of an uncontrolled spread of a contagious disease until its mortality rate reaches a minimum level? Do you realize that the flu viruses are very efficient at alteration? One small dhange that dould happen at anytime with flu could change the mortality rate rfrom 0.1% to 50%, the avian flu rate. Or that this flu could be incorporated through natural process into the avian flu and make it highly contagious from human to human. That is the reason the avian flu is a minor killer at this time, it is not transmitted from human to human YET.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#9 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
                                Kate In Greensboro

                                My point is that the sky is not falling.

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                                #9.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
                                Kathy Gill

                                Avian flu does not pass from human-to-human. Not a good comparison.

                                  #9.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:08 PM EDT
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                                  Tim S.-560036

                                  Kate I agree as do most responsible people involved in the responce to this outbreak. Fort Worth is being totally hysterical in closing all 100 plus schools with, as far as I heard, only 1 student complaining of feeling ill. As far as the federal governments response, I think they have acted prudently. They are keeping track of the progress of the spread and taking steps to mitigate the spread. They are, also, preparing for the possibility that the strain may change for the worse. If they were caught flatfooted at this possibility I am sure the crap would hit the fan.

                                    Reply#10 - Fri May 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT
                                    Kathy Gill

                                    If indeed this is the case -- school closure w/out confirmed sickness -- then yes, this is an over-reaction. But the over-reaction is NOT WHO's fault, but the responsibility of local officials.

                                      #10.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 10:09 PM EDT
                                      Tim S.-560036

                                      Kathy that is what I said in my last sentence of post #9.

                                      I didn't say it was WHO's fault. It is the overreaction of an ill informed school district. This is a problem in this country. Any discussion about the possibilities to watch for results in action before those possibilities occur. We need to learn to wait for the data, not act on the description of the potential.

                                      Kathy I am sorry if my posts are sounding like fear mongering. My intent is that until you see these events occurring there is nothing to worry about. So calm down. Obviously, I am not coming across that way to you. I will try to be clearer.

                                        #10.2 - Fri May 1, 2009 11:45 PM EDT
                                        Kathy Gill

                                        Hi, Tim - I don't recall who was blaming WHO (someone earlier in the thread). Truly the only place where I thought you were overstating was with the "emerge in fall" assertion.

                                        I need to be more clear about replies that are "general" versus "to someone specifically." My bad!

                                        Have you seen this from Salon?
                                        Pandemic Pandemonium

                                          #10.3 - Sat May 2, 2009 2:06 AM EDT
                                          Tim S.-560036

                                          Kathy, Thanks. I wasn't sure if I misspoke somewhere or not. I have not subscribed to Salon yet. Though I am thinking about it more.

                                          On some of my other posts, I wish to clarify a little if I can.

                                          1) Reemergence in the fall. This is the historical pattern of flu. Typically, it would migrate through populations between north and south for each winter. Today that migration can take place in hours instead of weeks.

                                          2) With each infection there is a chance the virus can mutate. Before anyone panics, that means the virulence can decrease, remain the same, or increase. The same holds true for the infectiousness. It is as likely that this strain could become less of a health concern as more and most likely it will remain the same threat level.

                                          3) For those that think the health agencies are overreacting. They have to take the worst case scenerio and act to mitigate it. If the virus becomes harmless, the worst is no one dies. If it becomes highly virulent, millions or billions die. Which do we want them to plan for. So keep in mind that their motive is not a justification for us to overreact. We need to take personal responsibility to use the appropriate level of response in our personal lives. That is a completely different standard than the health organizations need to follow.

                                          Kathy I agree with you that we need to remain calm while being aware of the changes in the situation. We need to behave in accordance with the developments and not react out of fear, but out of knowledge and awareness. This is something we seem to have difficulty doing as a society. It seems our first response is to panic out of ignorance. Not just in this case, look at the stock market for another example. Why would a 30 year old 30 to 40 years from retirement be concerned about their 401k today? Whereas, a 65 year old has every reason to be concerned. People we need to calm down and learn to do some real risk assessment in every aspect of our lives.

                                          Good seed(?) Kathy. Thank you.

                                            #10.4 - Sat May 2, 2009 12:39 PM EDT
                                            Kathy Gill

                                            Thanks, Tim! (It's an article, not a seed, because I wrote it myself instead of linking to an extrl source.)

                                            In this case, the panic was facilitated by the mainstream media, IMO. :-/ But yes, we (Americans, anyway) are generally lousy at risk assessment.

                                            I think WHO has been very responsible -- but I sure wish I could find the details on when they implemented that 1-6 "danger" system!

                                              #10.5 - Mon May 4, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
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                                              frgmnt13

                                              Thank you for a dose of reality. I am a Respiratory Therapist at a medium sized suburban HOUSTON Tx. hospital that see's a LARGE AMOUNT of traffic through our ER. I can tell you first hand, that we have not had ONE SINGLE case of H1N1 here. This is no more dangerous than regular flu, and all the doctors here are trying to figure out what all the hype is about. I'll tell you what angers and scares me more, is all the days of school my son will have to make up if OUR school district kneejerkedly close school for 2 weeks. This is ridiculous. Someone is obviously pushing this and and we need to know why. All we are seeing here is a bunch of paranoid, over reacting people with the sniffles, allergies, or a sore throat. What gives??!!

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#11 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
                                              Tim S.-560036

                                              frgmnt, from what I understand there are several factors that have the authorities concerned.

                                              1) Of the suspected 2000 or so cases in Mexico there are about 10 confirmed deaths or about 3 to 4 times the normal mortality rate.
                                              2) These deaths are in an atypical portion of the population, not the very old or very young. It is killing those in the peak years of health.
                                              3) It is unusually late in the flu season.
                                              4) According to WHO reports I have heard, prior immunity is at a minimum compared to the typical seasonal flu

                                              These are just some of the concerns I have heard expressed by WHO and CDC. I have also heard them say that some of these reactions are out of proportion to the current threat and border on hysterical overreaction.

                                                #11.1 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT
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                                                frgmnt13

                                                Forgot to mention. Flu does not recognize race or ethnicity. If anything, it was more likely to blame on the AMERICAN, NAFTA CREATED, FACTORY pig farm. All of you hatemongers who are trying to use this as just another excuse to scapegoat immigrants, foreigners, and Hispanics are just uneducated, racists, embarrassments to America. Closing the border (besides being impossible, is a just plain ignorant idea).

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#12 - Fri May 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT
                                                Tim S.-560036

                                                frgmnt, I just want to add that all the confirmed cases of the flu in this country are in Us citizens returning from Mexico with the exception of the child that died. He was here LEGALLY.

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                                                #12.1 - Sat May 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
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                                                Kathy Gill

                                                RollingStone magazine profiled Smithfield in December 2006. These operations are obscene, on many many levels.

                                                  Reply#13 - Mon May 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
                                                  Kathy Gill

                                                  Bump? For some reason, Newsvine's interface indicated that there were two new comments on this article.

                                                    Reply#14 - Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:41 AM EDT
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