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Is The Economy Looking Up?

Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:43 AM EDT
politics, economy, housing, recovery, consumer-confidence
By Kathy Gill
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Three indicators suggest the answer may be yes.

First, orders for durable goods jumped 4.5 percent from June to July, the largest gain in two years.

Durable goods orders are what economists call a leading indicator for manufacturing. If you're familiar with project management, they are akin to a dependency in that they have to be in place for manufacturers to run production lines. A durable good is defined as one with a lifespan of three or more years. Some durable goods are really big, expensive and, well, durable, like airplanes.

AngryBear notes that this jump includes a lot of commercial airplane orders. When civilian aircraft orders are excluded, the increase is a more moderate 1.9% month to month. But even a moderate increase is noteworthy, beause durable goods orders have trended down since March 2008; in June, they dropped 1.3%.

The economy isn't ready to embark on a marathon, however. CNN reports that "compared to the same period last year, new orders were still down 25.8%."

The second positive note relates to housing. The S&P/Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index indicates average home prices are up 3%. This is the "first quarter-to-quarter increase in three years." If housing prices have indeed hit bottom, then the economy is on its way to recovery.

The final note relates to consumer confidence, which seems to be up. Consumer outlook is at its most optimistic since December 2007, according to the Conference Board, which has been charting confidence for four decades. Gallup, however, has survey data moving in the opposite direction, while ABC survey data show confidence is up. Economics is called the dismal science for a reason!

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Luther28

Hate to put a damper on the optimism and wish I felt otherwise but I would have to answer the question with a big fat no. Perhaps for those of us still employed the economy does not look quite as dire as it did one and a half years ago, but until employers begin hiring on a steady basis our economy will continue to be mired. The main problem with employment is that over the past thirty years we have essentially ceased to manufacture goods and have relied on the service sector to carry the burden of employment. Even with those still employed there are continuing reports of many individuals burdened with horrendous personal debt and living hand to mouth. The government seems to be waiting for consumers to begin purchasing again at a robust pace but there are two factors hindering that, many are still attempting to dig themselves out of debt and many people simply have no money.

Although the government could have done a better job with the stimulus (maybe should have resurected the C.C.C. putting people to work) they have at least staunched the flow of blood for the moment, but the problem remains JOBS!

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Reply#1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:15 AM EDT
Kathy Gill

It's a vicious circle. Employers cannot hired until they have orders; businesses can't place orders under they have business, which means people (or other businesses) are buying.

That's why leading indicators like durable goods are so important. If durable good sales are up again next month -- with autos discounted because of the Cash for Clunkers program (which is like a sugar high, not sustainable) -- then I'll feel even more positive.

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#1.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
caltha-palustris

Another key leading indicator to watch is: inventories at U.S. wholesalers.

"Another month of positive sales is helping to reduce inventories," said Kim Whelan, an economist at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in Charlotte, North Carolina. "As inventories decline to levels businesses are more comfortable with, production can start to ramp up."

[snip]

Wholesalers make up almost a third of all business stockpiles. Factory inventories, which account for more than a third of the total, fell 0.8 percent in June, Commerce reported on Aug. 5. Retail stockpiles, which make up the rest, will be included in the Aug. 13 business inventories report.

Total business inventories shrank by a record $141.1 billion annual rate in the second quarter, subtracting 0.8 percentage points from gross domestic product, Commerce reported July 31.

A Bloomberg Radio commentary report I heard earlier this week, made a note that inventory levels are at historic lows... and noted in the second paragraph of the article linked.

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#1.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
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Susan-649485

Yes, the problem is jobs.

Unfortunately, employment is considered a lagging indicator of recovery because the economy has to be relatively strong before employers start hiring people back.

Fortunately, unemployment rates are beginning to (slowly) drop.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/27/2009-08-27_new_jobless_claims_drop_.html

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Reply#2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
Kathy Gill

Right on, Susan. Good point. I had intended to note new unemployment claims but ran out of time. :-)

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#2.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
fire hawk

Good article, thank God you are in higher education Kathy there may be hope yet in this country.

    #2.2 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT
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    happily-retired

    Yes, the economy is looking up. If we take a look back over the past year and recognize the various triggers and problems that arose, many have been addressed and alleviated. In that past year, the financial system that underpins our entire economy was nearly destroyed, but is now back on much firmer footing. The TED Spread should be indicative of that. Businesses addressed exploding inventories with even sharper production cuts, which were reflected in a rapid rise in unemployment.

    The financial system is regaining some life, businesses are slowing their cutbacks as inventories come into line with receivables/payables. Employees that thought they were next on the chopping block are now breathing a bit easier. We still have a winding road to climb to regain the mountain top, but it is much better than scaling a cliff that we almost went over, imho.

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    Reply#3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
    fire hawk

    and you good retired person have it right. peace to you and yours

    Hawk

      #3.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
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      MichelleUT

      Plenty will say no because they would like to believe that this is THE END TIMES! All recessions end, it is the recovery from them that takes awhile. This recovery will take some time, but, things are improving and will continue to improve.

      Unemployment is a lagging indicator. In the last deep recession, which ended in 1982, the unemployment rate went up even after the end, to 10.8%. It began to fall, but did not reach under 6% until 1987, and only then did it begin to stabilize in the 5% range over the next few years.

      It would be nice to see the rate go back down to 5%, but we would be deluding ourselves if we thought that will happen any time in the next 2 years. After almost two years of recession and massive losses, companies can't pull jobs out of thin air. It will take time to recover, but we WILL recover.

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      Reply#4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
      Kathy Gill

      However, economists have been worried about a jobless recovery. That's what we had in part after the dot-com bubble burst, at least compared to prior recoveries.

      I think we have to redefine what we mean by "recovery." We can't continue to spend money we don't have (borrowing from the rest of the world), import almost everything we "need" to make life comfortable, have crap for a savings rate, and have wages that surpass the rest of the world. No way.

      Plus, real estate won't be considered the nest egg that it's been for the past two decades.

        #4.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
        MichelleUT

        You're right about real estate. As for the jobless recovery, we'll have to wait and watch...that's about all we can do. The 80's recession, which is quite similar to this one...there was a recovery, but it took the better part of the decade.

        As for recovery, let me define what I mean: we won't go back to the 2006 economy, or "boom" we were in. Not only would it lead to another market disaster, at this point, it is pretty much impossible.

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        #4.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
        Kathy Gill

        Another person who remembers the 1980s recession - which was a depression in the agricultural sector, record loss of farms. Too bad all those people programming software for the financial services industry had no historical knowledge. (I'm still chaffing at programs that would not allow a negative number in change in housing value over time.)

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        #4.3 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:05 AM EDT
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        Linda Luke

        Explore the area you live in. Look at empty commerical spaces. There is no doubt some have friends caught up in this depression with out jobs. Buy a Sunday newspaper and look at the classified section. If unemployment figures come in at any where near 250,000 or more for one month that tells a story. Major media has a way of painting the picture with way too many flowers. Read some of the articles at Newsvine. Both River and fire hawk have articles that really tell the true story of what is happening in the real streets of America. Yes we need hope but false hope isn't what I want. Spinning a positive light and avoiding reality can be troublesome.

          Reply#5 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
          Kathy Gill

          What we haven't talked about is how digital information technologies are changing the shape of the economy.

          The newspaper is no longer the place to look for classified ads - whether that's jobs or used cars. Those ads are online.

          And many of those store fronts are not coming back, even with a recovery. Those sales are online as often as they are at WalMart. WalMart (Hawk's tale) is a perfect example of how government policies have unintended consequences; we have federal and state laws in place that privilege large businesses over small ones. Someone in that long thread mentioned Europe; small villages continue to exist -- with baker, butcher, etc -- because Europe has a different social policy than we do, a social policy that privileges small towns and small farmers.

          As I said above, we will need to redefine recovery.

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          #5.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:32 PM EDT
          Linda Luke

          I make no beef about jobs on the internet, there are some but there are more scams than anyone could believe. You waste your time doing surveys for free, or you feel like you are loosing out because you refuse to give a credit report to an email address. The newspaper still gives you plenty of information to make determinations. What you get on the internet is sometime not even real. Gaging jobs on the internet is impossible.

          Digital technology will change how we spend our transportation dollars in business that is a good thing. It will also make some a pretty penny. Today I got a new client who is in high technology and I only wish my sales would look like his, I need quanity where he doesn't, one sale for him could be 50-100 clients for me.

          It will be an internesting time if for nothing else but watching banks belly up, or watching politicians squirm, or see if we break our own govt bank. I don't believe it's far fetched that we are over our heads and the tax base is gone. Lower wages, no wages, and too many unemployed. Look around you at the mall, one in ten of those people are still unemployed.

            #5.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
            fire hawk

            hey lady how are you and the job search going all my best

            Hawk

              #5.3 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT
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              Kathy Gill

              One more thing. The economy is recovering with only minimal "help" from the federal government and the winter stimulus, because most of that money has not been spent, only allocated.

              And the Congressional Budget Office made a forecast about the recovery sans stimulus -- that recovery would probably begin in 4th quarter 2009. Fourth quarter starts in October. Congress ignored that forecast (akin to rearranging chairs while the Titanic is sinking: we must do something!) as well as the one pointing out the negative long-run impact of all that borrowing.

                Reply#6 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
                fire hawk

                hey Kathy I wanted to take time to thank for doing this article, to me any good news is well worth the trouble of reading. I know this if off topic, but I noticed that you are and educator, not that I am or have in true qualifications to do so. As you no doubt have noticed, I'm an opinion writer, I hope to plant a seed and get those more intelligence than myself to share their knowledge with America. I would dearly love to see some good articles on education, and what we can do to build a better world for the children. It was a pleasure meeting and talking with you, full disclosure her is I'm an activist, not right or left I don't care for parties, but I have a love for people. My goal is to bring this country together.

                Peace to you and yours

                Hawk

                  Reply#7 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT
                  Kathy Gill

                  Hi, Hawk! Thanks for the note.

                  I am in higher ed, not K-12, so I'm really not a very good source for info on education for youth. However, I've been reading a bit on how cellphone technologies (esp smart phones) are being used in math and science and other K-12 courses--and am quite amazed! I should probably seed some of those links--thanks for the suggestion. :-)

                    #7.1 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:59 AM EDT
                    fire hawk

                    Did you say thank goodness when you said Higher Ed. Hey I admire you for what you do, I think you idea is a good one, I'll look forward to it you take care there Lady.

                    Hawk.

                      #7.2 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:17 AM EDT
                      Kathy Gill

                      LOL! Yes, there's a thank goodness in that comment. :-)

                      I have K-12 teachers in my extended family, and I think that they are among the most important and least respected civil servants in the country.

                      Of course, I was teaching a motorcycle safety class today -- all women class. I had forgotten why it had been a few years since I taught an all-women class. =:-0

                        #7.3 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:42 AM EDT
                        fire hawk

                        I was trying once to explain to one of my horse trainers, that she was just like a teacher, it took a while but when she started getting results she undestood. You know Kathy it's good to hear from people, that like and enjoy what they're doing, I stongly believe you are one of those people, I'm glad you and I met. I really enjoy people who share their lives, every one you meet is a new story to read or maybe write. have a great day.

                        hawk.

                          #7.4 - Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
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